/liberty/ - Liberty

>>105728

julay.world/liberty was the biggest but they had a big purge

That board was migrated to hoppe.sama but they had technical problems

The same board migrated to 8chan.moe/liberty

For whatever reason that group does not like 8kun. There's also decidedly more anime and larp posting.

There's also 9chan.tw/libertarian

>>100945

>if you come at the problem from the wrong direction, you only produce shitty solutions

Well, yes.

>>99071

>Don't firms and individuals in a capitalist society have large incentives to rent-seek, in other words, isn't it the case that cronyism an endemic feature of capitalism?

In fact, no. It's not firms per se that rent-seek, it's interest groups. These groups will exist even in a perfectly socialistic system.

Some of the worst examples of rent-seeking you can find in Nazi Germany. I recommend The Vampire Economy if you want to learn about this in depth, or at least a few chapters from it, as the book is quite boring. Corporations were very heavily regulated, they could not import or export without permission, they had to fulfill quotas, managers and entrepreneurs lived in constant fear of being persecuted for accidentally breaking some law, they had members of staff whose sole purpose was to have cocktail parties with bureaucrats… interestingly, no capitalist really liked this state of affairs. Many wanted it at first, especially the banks, but they deeply regretted it a few years later.

>>99128

For the love of God, just learn this already.

The reason we mock communists who say "not real communism" is because they a) have no standards for determining whether some state is communist or not, as aa) their standards, like "worker's ownership of the means of production" are nearly inoperable, and bb) they cannot even find any consensus on which standard they should adopt, and b) they regularly change their minds on which governments are and aren't socialistic. My favorite example is Venezuela. You had leftists praise this country for its policies, but they made a 180° turn once the first reports came of starving Venezuelans eating flamingoes, and then they pretended that this turn never happened once Venezuela reached a state of civil war. We were always at war with Eurasia, you know? Also, c) communist don't like to think of a spectrum running from capitalism to communism, a system is either communistic or it's capitalistic.

Meanwhile:

a) Every capitalist will agree that the more unregulated voluntary transactions and property dispositions are, the more capitalist a country is,

b) there is broad agreement over which countries are capitalistic and which aren't, with some disagreements on facts, but you at least don't have thirty sects of capitalists who disagree with each other and don't even acknowledge their differences,

c) we think of economic freedom as running on a spectrum, with the USSR on one end and Ancapistan on the other so that when we say "Chile wasn't REAL capitalism", we mean to say it wasn't the ideal type of a capitalist economy. We then usually go on to mention the features which weren't capitalistic and tell you why the economic calamities in question are the fault of the interventionist or socialist elements of the economy, not of the capitalist ones.

The boxcars won't even be needed because Americans are so enslaved now that Americans will drive themselves to the concentration camps.

he tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

If you said that the government was wiretapping your phone in 1999, everybody would have called you a nutjob.

Now if you say that the government is wiretapping your phone, no one cares.

How can Americans sleep at night now or look in a mirror without feeling disgusted and ashamed?

Those who say that they hate the elites sound like hypocrites when they turn around and say that the globalists must be obeyed.

>>103107

GTFO utilitarianist.

>>103148

>Fires are natural disasters. Getting sick is not.

BTW, what the fuck has to do nature with freedom to start with?

Aggresion, murder, rape and theft are natural, but we still oppose those concepts.

Nice Naturalistic Falacy deranged Christcuck.

>>103152

>>103150

Nice lack of reading comprehension. Diseases are natural but not "natural disasters" (unless they are pandemics).

Is there much difference between the elites who are destroying the US with wars, debt, and tyranny and the Americans who accept the wars, debt, and police state?

>>99948

>nothing in current law to prevent voluntary bilateral exchange via any medium freely accepted by two parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_dollar_%28private_currency%29#Legal_issues

>>99949

Also, legal tender laws and capital gains taxes against commodities (like gold/silver) is the standard argument taken, but I wanted to show a concrete case of how there definitely is legal issues. Similar issues happened to a private currency in Florida (Cruz, I believe was his name), and to a few online gold banks that used to be operating ten or twenty years ago. There are plenty of legal issues. The U.S. government does NOT want these to start up.

>>99944

>but in the constitution I would prohibit the State from making people use the notes issued by the central bank/government.

And as we all know, no government would ever dare overstep the limits placed on them by their constitution (or worse yet, ignore the constitution entirely). It's literally impossible for such a thing to happen.

Americans think that the US is a free and peaceful country with a balanced budget.

Libertarians must be obsessed about liberty now.

Talk to people everywhere. Pass out flyers. Print out business cards. Make a website. Start a newspaper. Rent a billboard. Make songs and movies about freedom.

You might be the last one defending freedom, but you must live with your conscience.

>>99778

Beliefs "core to your identity" can and do change as well. People don't spring fully-formed commies from the womb, they need years of molding in the public schools before their worldviews shift.

>>99813

The muslim problem is similar to the jew problem; most don't actually do the dirty work but they don't speak against it either, and some actually encourage it, to the delight of the actual perpetrators of the crimes, who can enjoy from that tribal protection and claim to be a victim when the inevitable backlash happens. You can't say they're outright criminals but you also can't say they're totally innocent either. Of course it doesn't justify some random shooting but you can see why someone would be baited into doing that assuming it wasn't just a false flag which it probably was

>>99854

what dont jews speak against?

One thing worse than living in a police state is finding out that no one cares.

Americans hate freedom with a passion.

You Nazis ARE commies lol

National Socialism is still a form of socialism you fucking idiots

>>99579

Who are you responding to?

>>99580

He must think this is /pol/ lol

One of the reasons the US is collapsing now is that Americans think that decay will be stopped by becoming Fascists and Communists.

Americans think the US will be improved by expanding wars, increasing the debt, and adding more tyranny when the reason the USA is crashing is because the US has wars, is in debt, and has a police state.

Americans say that they love freedom, but then they turn around and say they need the government to give them free Obamacare, build a wall, protect the US from Yemen, wiretap their phones, arrest people for feeding the homeless, stop farmers from plowing fields, force people to get rid of dogs, ban vaping, and torture suspects.

Every country has the government it deserves.

One wonders if Snowden regrets throwing away his life to warn ungrateful Americans about unconstitutional NSA wire-tapping.

Hey /liberty/, don't you guys ever get tired of searching all over the internet for the hottest cuck porn? Come visit >>>/pol/ to find it all in one place!

>>99740

Yeah there are leftist people here that hate this board and actively work to undermine it, of course well meaning people are a leg up… but that's like being smarter than a nigger, it's not an achievement.

>>99748

So we can talk fascist fucks that are too retarded to tie their own shoelaces?

Americans say that everyone who loves freedom is a Commie.

>>100587

I guess you don't really ""need"" to know why your screen-cap is inherently flawed not even past the first paragraph. And then will continue to elaborate a flawed understanding.

>>100588

woops i meant flash guards

>>100636

Most assault weapon bans define "assault weapon" as this:

A semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of

the weapon;

(iii) a thumbhole stock;

(iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

(v) a bayonet mount;

(vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded

barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle break, or

muzzle compensator;

(vii) a grenade launcher

"Assault weapons" are not assault rifles.

Assault rifles are automatic and require a license to own.

>>100572

Federal Law (Constitution) is above State Law.

McDonald vs Chicago

Caetano vs Massachusetts

DC vs Heller

US Constitution, Article 6, Clause 2

Libertarians could be making money or curing cancer now, but you must use your time to fight for freedom when you live in a police state.

>>99789

I don't get it. What's the context for this?

>>99867

Left coast states have banned plastic straws.

Americans used to think hippies were lazy fruits for dropping out during the Vietnam War, but maybe the hippies had the right idea after all.

If you can't change a corrupt system, why be a part of it?

>>100676

The Fed started raising rates awhile back, a baby step at a time.

>>100676

>>100683

and then they said they werent going to until after 2020 so they capitulated

Libertarians think that they should give up defending freedom because Americans hate liberty, but Libertarians should keep resisting tyranny for selfish reasons.

While the elites control the money, government, and media, the 99% have the numbers.

One Libertarian may not be able to resist being sent to the concentration camps, but one million people might.

https://dis.tinychan.net/lounge/

You know the US is doomed when Americans would rather attack those who defend freedom instead of criticizing the government that is enslaving them.

>>100941

Oh, and concerning education, communist countries tend to have notoriously high literacy rates and education levels, which is simply because they shove everyone into mandatory schooling.

>But if everyone was in a Gulag, how could everyone get schooled? Checkmate, my aynclap friend!

Everyone was schooled even in Gulags. Every single source about communist countries that I ever consulted talked about the indoctrination and reeducation rampant in these countries, especially in prison. So, is it any wonder literacy rates went sky high? More importantly, is that in any way reflective of an increased standard of living, or should we maybe discard literacy rate as an a-grade indicator of living standards if they can be increased by building schools in Kolyma and then deporting everyone and his mom to Kolyma?

>>100958

same in communist poland

Americans insist that they live in a free country and just shrug when they are given overwhelming proof that the US is a police state.

Do the elites plan to wall off cities so that no one can escape?

Americans think living in a socialist police state is normal, but freedom is not some textbook theory.

There are still some Americans alive today who will tell you that freedom is better.

>>101341

society pushed into your mind suicide is bad, but it isn't. the only reason suicide is actively fought against is because when someone kills himself, system doesn't have control over him anymore

also as stated, laws preventing suicide could be always twisted and abused because you cannot define exact state when person is doing harmful action to kill themselves and when not. smoking could be banned, because you're trying to kill yourself, same goes with unhealthy food, sports etc.

>>101347

>So to sum up, you'd stand by and allow your own family or friends to kill themselves

I would not violate their right of self-ownership to stop them.

>you think children "who could be described as individuals" don't have to listen to their parents

That is not what I said. Saying that one possesses their own body does not mean that they don't "have to" listen to anybody. Though I don't know what you mean by "have to".

>>101347

not the guy you're replying to but yes, it is their decision and although I love them, I can't forcibly hold them here knowing they're suffering, that would be selfish

Thanks for the screencaps guys. Its going to be a lot of help.

Americans think living in a police state is a victory.

>>98154

The people of Venezuela

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2pjEYBhJSo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1zdePe-yuQ

Maduro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWCVMPTkPeA

Madurocucks are the absolute most retarded people on earth

>>98154

fug i need to settle there to lose weight

The elites don't need you.

All the infrastructure has been built and the globalists will soon have robots.

Patriots must be obsessive about trying to save liberty now.

Brainstorm.

The hour is late.

Do you know anyone who works for the government who can be convinced to quit?

Do you know any reporters who would write stories about freedom?

Can you sponsor billboards or pass out flyers promoting freedom?

Can you make a freedom website?

Could you make songs, movies, or art about liberty?

>>99863

companies never change their prices. the average company changes their prices once a year

>>99864

>the average company changes their prices once a year

source?

>>99692

>I'm not a pedophile, so I'd prefer to not browse a board that has CP.

4chan.

>>99885

Worthless textbooks written by Paul Krugman.

Is there much difference between the elites who are destroying the US with wars, debt, and tyranny and the Americans who accept the wars, debt, and police state?